Translation as part of the attic policy

[sophi]

Hi Thorsten, Emiliano, all

I'm very sorry to be so late at commenting on this, I was focused on code and did realized this week that either translation and documentation were concerned together with code.
In the l10n world, it often happens that the team is composed of one or two contributors at most (FR translation is one example where JBF takes care of UI and me of Help files).
In this same world, it often happens that l10n is stalled for some years, because it's a huge work, needing a lot of investment that you can't always offer for a long time. For example, the Thai l10n team who just revived after some years of break, and from what I can tell the team is one, at best two. Seeing a project with read lines in Weblate is highly motivating and the best showcase we can have.
Would that mean that each time a l10n team resign for whatever reason (UK currently in my mind and heart), it will be atticized and need at least 3 contributors who use something else than Weblate to demonstrate their contributions to be accepted again in the LO community?
I fear it's a really high price to pay unless I misunderstand something.
Cheers
Sophie

[thb]

Hi Sophie,

sophi wrote:

Would that mean that each time a l10n team resign for whatever reason (UK
currently in my mind and heart), it will be atticized and need at least 3
contributors who use something else than Weblate to demonstrate their
contributions to be accepted again in the LO community?

Can't speak for the board, but at least my own idea of the attic
proposal was - it is entirely focused on code.

The l10n project always had their own rules when to include or retire
a language (percentage of strings translated), and refined that over
the years. My take would be, to let the project continue to
self-govern there.

[beyond that, the attic process has a git repo as the smallest
artifact to turn read-only. So technically, we can't simply atticize a
language, which are subdirectories in the helpcontent2 and translation
git repositories]

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

[PaoloVecchi]

Hi all,

I guess that the definition of what goes in the "attic" needs to be reviewed:

"The “attic” is a special area of TDF's infrastructure where part of
the code/documentation/translations, which is not being actively
developed, can be stored."

So should "/documentation/translations," be removed from there it the original meaning was to deal only with code?

Ciao

Paolo

[Jan_Holesovsky1]

Hi Sophie,

sophi píše v Po 28. 03. 2022 v 21:55 +0200:

Would that mean that each time a l10n team resign for whatever
reason
(UK currently in my mind and heart), it will be atticized and need
at
least 3 contributors who use something else than Weblate to
demonstrate
their contributions to be accepted again in the LO community?

1) 'The “attic” is a special area [...] not being actively
   developed, *can* be stored.' (emphasis mine)

   => it is up to the l10n community to propose to ESC and Board to
   atticize something, not that it would go there automatically.

   If it fits you better not to atticize (eg. there is no risk when
   incomplete translations are used for production, etc.), I don't
   think anything forces you to put the particular language to
   the attic.

2) 'A sufficient number of developers [2] have committed changes',
   where the [2] says: '1 for small, 3 for medium, and 6 developers
   for a large project'

   => if the l10n community decide to atticize something, best if they
   define the size they'd like to target for the de-atticization. To
   me, 'small' sounds reasonable for one language.

Hope this helps?

All the best,
Kendy

[sophi]

Hi Kendy, Thorsten, all,

Thanks a lot for your feedback and explanations, that clears my concerns. As Paolo said, mentioning translation/documentation was confusing me.

Cheers
Sophie