Dear community,
during the meeting at FOSDEM, the board agreed on several key goals to follow for the next two years. These key goals are now public in a Redmine project:
https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/projects/keygoals/
(The ticket on the legal entity will be added and updated soon.)
We will continuously update the tickets as the tasks progress, to keep the community informed.
Florian
Andreas Mantke kirjoitti 20.6.2020 klo 13.20:
Dear community,
during the meeting at FOSDEM, the board agreed on several key goals to
follow for the next two years. These key goals are now public in a
Redmine project:https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/projects/keygoals/
(The ticket on the legal entity will be added and updated soon.)We will continuously update the tickets as the tasks progress, to keep
the community informed.https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/3118
ageism?
Regards,
Andreas
Not sure, if trolling? If you are interested in stopping the normal human aging process which leads to the gradual shrinking of our contributor community, I suggest you join the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aging_movement
Ilmari
Hi Ilmari,
Andreas Mantke kirjoitti 20.6.2020 klo 13.20:
Dear community,
during the meeting at FOSDEM, the board agreed on several key goals to
follow for the next two years. These key goals are now public in a
Redmine project:https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/projects/keygoals/
(The ticket on the legal entity will be added and updated soon.)We will continuously update the tickets as the tasks progress, to keep
the community informed.https://redmine.documentfoundation.org/issues/3118
ageism?
Regards,
AndreasNot sure, if trolling? If you are interested in stopping the normal
human aging process which leads to the gradual shrinking of our
contributor community, I suggest you join the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aging_movement
the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age
of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I started
contributing to an open source software project when I was 43 (not 42
and I'm active contributing since then.
If you are looking for active and long time contributors you had to
prescind from the age of a person.
Regards,
Andreas
Hello Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wrote:
the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age
of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I started
nobody stated so. The ticket says to focus on new/younger contributors, not ignoring everyone else. We can't do everything at the same time, so we have to focus on certain things during a certain phase.
I remember you were often pointing to the educational sector as one of our key purposes - doesn't that match nicely with the idea of that goal? 
Florian
I think the purpose here is to drive the attention of younger
contributors not fight/replace our elders. Some fresh air and
perceptions from the next generation is great to have to unsure the
success of the project for current and forthcoming generations of users.
Being myself from the youngest in the community, I have plenty of ideas
to fix this challenge and drive the attention of younger developers.
Having followed the project since its very inception (sept 2010) and
reading all mailing list messages, plus the fact I have been in charge
of the LibreOfficeFR Twitter account for 2 years, I have built a modest
list of drawbacks and expectations from the current gen of devs and
those to be.
That's why the idea of Redmine is great because, it will allow me to
keep track of current blockers. Thanks for the initiative.
Regards,
Hi Florian,
Hello Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wrote:
the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age
of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I startednobody stated so. The ticket says to focus on new/younger
contributors, not ignoring everyone else. We can't do everything at
the same time, so we have to focus on certain things during a certain
phase.I remember you were often pointing to the educational sector as one of
our key purposes - doesn't that match nicely with the idea of that
goal?
if I didn't overlook anything, there are people of diverse age inside
the educational sector. Thus the focus on the educational sector would
be another focus. It would be a focus on an 'industry', not on the age
of people.
But if you target on e.g. the educational sector you need to identify
the different stake holder (and the way to get in contact with them and
convince them to get involved).
If you read to this document
https://shop.stiftungen.org/media/mconnect_uploadfiles/s/t/stiftungsfokus-2018-16-freiwilliges-engagement.pdf
(sorry: only German) you find on page 6 an information about getting
people involved into volunteer work.
And if I remember correctly the foundation association and its
co-working organizations published some documents (and strategies) to
involve new volunteers. You should use such resources and also various
opportunities (there) to get in contact with people from different sectors.
Regards,
Andreas
Hi William,
the community is not shrinking by the regular process of aging. The age
of a person is not the key of being a contributor, e.g. I started
contributing to an open source software project when I was 43 (not 42
and I'm active contributing since then.I think the purpose here is to drive the attention of younger
contributors not fight/replace our elders.
perceptions from the next generation is great to have to unsure the
success of the project for current and forthcoming generations of users.
could you please explain what is the next generation?
And why do you think that only younger people will bring 'fresh air and
perception' into the project?
I don't see such connection to the age of one.
Being myself from the youngest in the community, I have plenty of ideas
to fix this challenge and drive the attention of younger developers.
If I interpret the purpose of the Redmine ticket correctly it is not
targeted to developers. The LibreOffice project is not a developer
project only.
Having followed the project since its very inception (sept 2010) and
reading all mailing list messages, plus the fact I have been in charge
of the LibreOfficeFR Twitter account for 2 years, I have built a modest
list of drawbacks and expectations from the current gen of devs and
those to be.
Again: the project is not all about developers. It is and has to be more
than that.
That's why the idea of Redmine is great because, it will allow me to
keep track of current blockers. Thanks for the initiative.
Developers are only one part of the project but their work wouldn't be
successful without e.g. documentation, user support etc.
LibreOffice is not something like a software running on servers (not
visible and used by end users) but an office software targeted to end
user (with a different set of skills) (I know some of them e.g. from my
daily paid work).
Regards,
Andreas
Hi Andreas,
could you please explain what is the next generation?
Well, I know where you want to go
A generation is typically 20 years. New generation, here are the
devs/contributors my age or younger. Those still students or entering
the world of work.[1]
And why do you think that only younger people will bring 'fresh air and
perception' into the project?
To answer your question, ask yourselves whether you were born with a
computer?
From a 2 years work at handling the LibreOfficeFR Twitter account, I
have realized we sometimes have interesting questions from that "new
gen". e.g. "will I loose my documents if I remove LibreOffice". Why
that? Because they were born with a smartphone and don't know the usual
computer we are used to use: desktop/laptop computer.
The same applies to social media. Some, here, don't understand the
importance of a polished and proactive (what I call modern)
communication like KDE/GNOME are nowadays doing.
If you want me to define what's "modern communication", feel free to
follow us in the marketing mailing list =)
I don't see such connection to the age of one.
Now you should see.
Also ask yourselves whether the new generation is using email with
mailing list or a beautiful and eye catchy Discourse instance accessible
from **mobile** (see rdm#2952 and rdm#3246).
If I interpret the purpose of the Redmine ticket correctly it is not
targeted to developers. The LibreOffice project is not a developer
project only.
Sure. But the most important thing to work on is the lack of devs. Have
a look at the UI channel, everyone wants to do UI, but we are not enough
devs to implement such changes.
Since I now have recovered plenty of time for the project, virtual
hackathons is something I want to lead, at least for the French
community.
Developers are only one part of the project but their work wouldn't be
successful without e.g. documentation, user support etc.
You are absolutely right, this is why in talks about FOSS when I was
advocating for it back in the days, I used to say (pardon my harshness):
the software as in code would still be there with only devs. However,
without all the other skills participating in a FOSS project we would
have lost our soul and our community spirit =)
Have a nice evening,
[1] I didn't follow that path. Made things in reverse order by acquiring
a 5+ years of experience in IT/dev than completing my computer
management degree... Some would say I walk on the head, which could
explain a lot of things 
Hello Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wrote:
But if you target on e.g. the educational sector you need to identify
the different stake holder (and the way to get in contact with them and
convince them to get involved).
I'm quite familiar with the educational sector. My mum is a retired teacher and I'm in very close contact with my former school. Me and others also jointly work with Munich Café Netzwerk where we've established a set of events for over a decade. So I'm quite aware of the stakeholders in that field.
And if I remember correctly the foundation association and its
co-working organizations published some documents (and strategies) to
involve new volunteers. You should use such resources and also various
opportunities (there) to get in contact with people from different sectors.
We talk to them indeed. I remember that at the foundation's day 2018 we presented our approach to volunteer work, they were quite interested in it.
Florian
Hi Florian,
Hello Andreas,
Andreas Mantke wrote:
But if you target on e.g. the educational sector you need to identify
the different stake holder (and the way to get in contact with them and
convince them to get involved).I'm quite familiar with the educational sector.
retired teacher and I'm in very close contact with my former school.
Me and others also jointly work with Munich Café Netzwerk where we've
established a set of events for over a decade. So I'm quite aware of
the stakeholders in that field.
reads good.
But what's the outcome of the close contact for the LibreOffice project
so far.
And what about schools in real big cities or areas with around more than
seven million people?
And if I remember correctly the foundation association and its
co-working organizations published some documents (and strategies) to
involve new volunteers. You should use such resources and also various
opportunities (there) to get in contact with people from different
sectors.We talk to them indeed. I remember that at the foundation's day 2018
we presented our approach to volunteer work, they were quite
interested in it.
And what projects and actions had already come out of this? Are there
already joint actions, joint projects etc. which drive LibreOffice and
the voluntary sector forward?
Such actions and projects needs someone who leads and drive them forward
(not only in spare time).
Regards,
Andreas
Hi Andreas
And what projects and actions had already come out of this? Are there
already joint actions, joint projects etc. which drive LibreOffice and
the voluntary sector forward?Such actions and projects needs someone who leads and drive them forward
(not only in spare time).
You're welcome to join the germanophone community video conference Thurday evening to advance this topic.
Really!
Hi,
Uwe Altmann wrote:
You're welcome to join the germanophone community video conference Thurday evening to advance this topic.
Really!
indeed!
Andreas, can I put that on the agenda for the call? Mike Saunders will give an update about our student ambassador's program during the call, so having you present to share your ideas and activities would fit perfectly.
The pad for the call and the preliminary agenda is at https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/de_discuss
Thanks in advance,
Florian
Hallo Florian,
wie Du weißt, stimmen dafür die Voraussetzungen nicht. Aus dem DE-Call bin ich nicht ohne Gründe ausgestiegen. Ich kann mich daran erinnern, dass das andere durchaus nachvollziehen konnten. Im Übrigen scheint die Zeit mir recht zu geben. Bedauerlich für das DE-Projekt.
Und dazu kam dann noch die Sache mit der Extensions-Seite. Gerade erst wieder die Rückmeldung in einer Mail erhalten, dass ich als billige Arbeitskraft gerne gesehen gewesen wäre zur Betreuung der bisherigen Seite.
Die neue Seite entspräche im Übrigen nicht meinen Qualitätsanforderungen und ich würde dafür wahrscheinlich “verprügelt” worden.
Und nun weiter Geld verdienen mit Sozialrecht 
Schönen Resttag
Andreas