Hi
On Update LOOL (was Re: LOOL is about to be archived):
We might need a meeting dedicated to re-discovering the Foundation roots
as I have the impression that some have different understanding of why TDF was created and what its role should be.
If this proposal is appreciated, we may do so at the LO conference? I feel
such a a discussion is far better made face-to-face than online or per a
mailing list.
I support that and I would love to hear a speech at the conference, possibly followed by a constructive discussion.
Uwe, are you candidating yourself?
Cheers,
Hi
I support that and I would love to hear a speech at the conference, possibly followed by a constructive discussion.
Uwe, are you candidating yourself?
I'm willing to prepare and moderate a session (similar to the one in Brno) If there is some interest within the community because it doesn't make sense to do this with three to five Persons new at the project as we had in Rome.
Hi Uwe,
Hi
I support that and I would love to hear a speech at the conference, possibly followed by a constructive discussion.
Uwe, are you candidating yourself?
I'm willing to prepare and moderate a session (similar to the one in Brno) If there is some interest within the community because it doesn't make sense to do this with three to five Persons new at the project as we had in Rome.
I believe it's important even if only the board is present as I have the impression that there are different views that are sometimes the cause of conflicts in the interpretation of what TDF should or should not do.
Then it would be great to have the sessions that I proposed for the board meeting in Berlin to explain a few things:
- the reasons why we have a CoI Policy and how it intersects with board decisions and charitable status
- the duty of the member of the board to take decisions for the benefit of TDF and not third parties
- what fiduciary duties are and how they affect board members from a point of view procedures, tasks and legal liabilities
- the duty of the member of the board to take informed decisions not just sending a +1 without checking potential issues related to a proposal
- maybe also a link to the announcement of the creation of TDF may provide a hint about the ideas behind the Foundation and its ethos (https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2012/02/20/the-document-foundation-officially-incorporated-in-berlin-germany/)
That could help new members of the board in understanding what they have to take in consideration while performing their duties.
Ciao
Paolo
Hi Uwe,
Uwe Altmann wrote:
I'm willing to prepare and moderate a session (similar to the one in
Brno) If there is some interest within the community because it
doesn't make sense to do this with three to five Persons new at the
project as we had in Rome.
I'd certainly be interested. It would be the marketing workshop, like
in Brno?
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
Hi
I'd certainly be interested. It would be the marketing workshop, like
in Brno?
Same method, maybe different core question(s) because this one initially directs more to the past than to the future.
This could also be seen as a restart of the mission statement discussion.
All seems to circle around the same black spot of our self-understanding.
Some kind of "Who am I, and if so, how many?" [1] - discussion.
Proposals welcome 
I'm willing to prepare and moderate a session (similar to the one in Brno) If there is some interest within the community because it doesn't make sense to do this with three to five Persons new at the project as we had in Rome.
Thank you for that Uwe =) I for one would be interested to attend your session if I can.
I believe it's important even if only the board is present as I have the impression that there are different views that are sometimes the cause of conflicts in the interpretation of what TDF should or should not do.
Its unusual that I agree with Paolo, but the above is I think unarguable.
- the duty of the member of the board to take decisions for the benefit of TDF and not third parties
Sounds interesting - I'd love to explore whether TDF's primary goal is to serve its own economic purposes (eg. growth in assets, more donations etc.) or rather to serve whichever of its non-profit goals the Board of Directors decides has priority at any given time.
But either way, sounds like a discussion worth having,
ATB,
Michael.
Hi all,
Hi Uwe,
I'm willing to prepare and moderate a session (similar to the one in Brno) If there is some interest within the community because it doesn't make sense to do this with three to five Persons new at the project as we had in Rome.
Very kind and helpful, Uwe. Thanks!
I believe it's important even if only the board is present as I have the impression that there are different views that are sometimes the cause of conflicts in the interpretation of what TDF should or should not do.
We're in the very lucky position that our statues and our "Next Decade Manifesto"* give us inspiration and work for much more than just one decade. Then obviously this comes with a responsibility for the board to decide on what to do when.
*) https://www.documentfoundation.org/assets/Documents/tdf-manifesto.pdf
Then it would be great to have the sessions that I proposed for the board meeting in Berlin to explain a few things:
- the reasons why we have a CoI Policy and how it intersects with board decisions and charitable status
The CoI policy is a subject that IMO deserves a meeting on its own. Various interesting examples of interpretations show that having time to look at background, effect and use should be very helpful.
- the duty of the member of the board to take decisions for the benefit of TDF and not third parties
- what fiduciary duties are and how they affect board members from a point of view procedures, tasks and legal liabilities
- the duty of the member of the board to take informed decisions not just sending a +1 without checking potential issues related to a proposal
When we start talking about normal directors tasks and functioning, I suggest to add training on normal practice in governance wrt a normal and effective work-flow. For example abstaining from reopening debates too fast once decisions are made.
- maybe also a link to the announcement of the creation of TDF may provide a hint about the ideas behind the Foundation and its ethos (https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2012/02/20/the-document-foundation-officially-incorporated-in-berlin-germany/)
Being here for a long time (2004.. and luckily not alone & some longer too) its a delight to read the key values that we filled in with TDF:
".. for the community, and an entity independent from any single vendor.
".. guarantee .. strong rights to active contributors."
".. the ideal grounds for a free office ecosystem, including users, developers, marketeers, adopters, service providers and many, many more”
".. vendor-neutral, that provides safety, builds trust, and that sends out a strong sign of stability to all stakeholders."
That could help new members of the board in understanding what they have to take in consideration while performing their duties.
For sure we should all try to be the living example of conscientious behavior, understanding, with self-reflection, direct and respectful communication, avoiding accusations and more good habits, that inspires the whole board
Cheers,
Cor
Hi Uwe,
Hi
I'd certainly be interested. It would be the marketing workshop, like
in Brno?Same method, maybe different core question(s) because this one initially directs more to the past than to the future.
This could also be seen as a restart of the mission statement discussion.
All seems to circle around the same black spot of our self-understanding.
Some kind of "Who am I, and if so, how many?" [1] - discussion.Proposals welcome
Is this meeting reserved to the board members or the whole community (not only TDF members) is also invited?
Cheers
Sophie
Hi Sophie
Is this meeting reserved to the board members or the whole community (not only TDF members) is also invited?
Basically yes 
To be honest: I didn't think of this - both variants have their pros and cons.
Let's look what interest evolves and then decide.
Hi,
Is this meeting reserved to the board members or the whole community (not only TDF members) is also invited?
Basically yes
To be honest: I didn't think of this - both variants have their pros and cons.
I see three
It would definitely be worth I think to have a meeting where not only the Board of Directors but also the Board of Trustees (TDF members) _participates_. And that would need preparations, is my first feeling. Then others joining, in the sense of being present more than actively involved, could be considered too.
Let's look what interest evolves and then decide.
Makes sense.
Cheers,
Cor
Hi,
Hello Cor,
Is this meeting reserved to the board members or the whole community (not only TDF members) is also invited?
Basically yes
To be honest: I didn't think of this - both variants have their pros and cons.
I see three
It would definitely be worth I think to have a meeting where not only
the Board of Directors but also the Board of Trustees (TDF members)
_participates_. And that would need preparations, is my first feeling.
Unless I'm missing something, the Board of Trustees includes already all the informally called "members" (AKA Board of Directors + Membership Committee + Members).
If your proposal Cor is to allow the participation of the full Board of Trustees and not only the Board of Directors I think it will be also important to consider the possibility to have this workshop in its hybrid version, giving to the whole Board of Trustees a chance to participate (not only in person but also from remote).
Then others joining, in the sense of being present more than actively
involved, could be considered too.
...this sounds to me that community members not part of the Board of Trustees can't really participate but only "listen" but as I wrote before I'm probably missing the full picture here.
My two cents,
Marina
Hi Thorsten,
Hi Uwe,
Uwe Altmann wrote:
I'm willing to prepare and moderate a session (similar to the one in
Brno) If there is some interest within the community because it
doesn't make sense to do this with three to five Persons new at the
project as we had in Rome.I'd certainly be interested. It would be the marketing workshop, like
in Brno?
Could you explain me why you see it as a marketing topic? For me it's much more deeper than marketing. Roots are more than brand and assets, these are also our values and our philosophy. Unless I miss something in the definition of marketing (I'm not a specialist here
Cheers
Sophie
Marina has a point here, those who can't attend the conference and would like to participate in this meeting would be banned if it only has a face to face version.
Maybe, at least, a pad with questions could be enabled.
Hi Marina,
I see three
It would definitely be worth I think to have a meeting where not only
the Board of Directors but also the Board of Trustees (TDF members)
_participates_. And that would need preparations, is my first feeling.Unless I'm missing something, the Board of Trustees includes already all the informally called "members" (AKA Board of Directors + Membership Committee + Members).
Yes, that is what I meant to say. Board of Trustees is the official name for TDF members. And obviously members of the BoD are TDF members too.
If your proposal Cor is to allow the participation of the full Board of Trustees and not only the Board of Directors I think it will be also important to consider the possibility to have this workshop in its hybrid version, giving to the whole Board of Trustees a chance to participate (not only in person but also from remote).
It is important to have broad input, from basically anyone. However when the board discusses an items, that may have a dynamic that is different from when the 'general community' talks about the same. If only because of the number of people involved.
So I think it just makes sense to prepare these meetings. Get e.g. a (broad) sense of questions that live, think about a sensible order to discuss, possibly invite (not force) people to share questions and ideas in advance, share some background info.. Such things. I think there is no blue print that fits every topic. So starting preparing early enough with 2, 3 people and gradually broadening that, could be useful.
Then others joining, in the sense of being present more than actively
involved, could be considered too....this sounds to me that community members not part of the Board of Trustees can't really participate but only "listen" but as I wrote before I'm probably missing the full picture here.
I don't want to exclude anyone, but it does not seem unnatural that members are a bit more involved somehow?
I would say, we're on our way finding out what works best in this case.
Does that make sense to you?
Cheers,
Cor
Hi,
Marina has a point here, those who can't attend the conference and would like to participate in this meeting would be banned if it only has a face to face version.
Sorry if I missed the question on participating remotely. Obviously no objections. It's just not as practical, and asks for other preparations and handling.
Maybe, at least, a pad with questions could be enabled.
Yep, sure.
Greetings,
Cor
Hi,
Marina has a point here, those who can't attend the conference and would like to participate in this meeting would be banned if it only has a face to face version.
Sorry if I missed the question on participating remotely. Obviously no objections. It's just not as practical, and asks for other preparations and handling.
If, as you said, participation is intended, all the necessary stuff has to be provided. Foremost considering TDF has members not only in Europe.
Hi Sophie,
sophi wrote:
Could you explain me why you see it as a marketing topic?
That is a misunderstanding - I was referring to Uwe's workshop,
which was called 'marketing workshop' on both occasions.
Cheers,
-- Thorsten
Hi Thorsten,
Hi Sophie,
sophi wrote:
Could you explain me why you see it as a marketing topic?
That is a misunderstanding - I was referring to Uwe's workshop,
which was called 'marketing workshop' on both occasions.
ah ok, thanks for your answer
Cheers
Sophie