Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2017-Jan-12

[Heiko_Tietze]

Present: Jay, Tomazs, Kendy, Steve, Heiko

Tickets

* Make Breeze the default icon set on Windows
   + https://pirati.ca/display/a6551d712873888e843e54a74a8e772a61684afd
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90194
   + https://plus.google.com/107566594492891737454/posts/H6W86P19atW
     + 60% Yes after one day
   + Yes (Tomazs)
   + No, because Breeze is not enough colorful and too thin (Jay, Kendy, Heiko)
   /keep it for now

* Installer icon
   (last week)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103677
     https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=128467
   + Double-check if ico contains multiple images (Jay)
   + Tango is not really up-to-date and not suitable for Windows (Jay)
   + See what other installers use (Jay)
   + Revert change like Stuart mentioned (Jay)
   + Let's check other installers and decide next week what to do (Heiko)
   (this week)
   + Andreas' solution is good (Kendy)
   + leave it as it is as the default is very close to what we have (Jay)
   / Make a test first with a nightly build that contains Andreas' solution (Kendy)

* Button order in confirmation dialogs
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=104897
   + Do we have a programmatical way to swap buttons?
   + https://www.nngroup.com/articles/ok-cancel-or-cancel-ok/
     + Windows puts Ok first, Apple puts OK last
   + Gnome and KDE uses "Save/Discard/Cancel" or "Yes/No/Cancel" sequence
     + https://community.kde.org/KDE_Visual_Design_Group/HIG/Dialogs
     + http://vim-dev.vim.narkive.com/qFf5LUMj/gnome-hig-compliance-in-gvim-button-order-in-close-confirmation-dialogs-patch
   + But Gnome puts confirmation also last https://developer.gnome.org/hig/stable/dialogs.html.en
   + Caolan has a plan (for years); ticket is maybe a duplicate (Kendy)

* Drop html export
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=66259
   + just drop the html export options or kill the html export completely?
   + filters are working and function is useful but devs need to clean up the code mess (Kendy)
   + dialog is about exporting slides to images (Tomasz)
   + better go with svg export (Kendy)
   + drop the wizard (Tomasz, Kendy) (and suggest users to go with svg)
   + but keep the html export (Kendy)
   + make new single page html export an easy hack and export just slides with original images (Tomasz)
   + have a dialog with at least the option to export one or all pages (Heiko)
   + clean up the export(as) features in Impress/Draw (Tomasz); make it consistent

[andreas_k]

Hi

Present: Jay, Tomazs, Kendy, Steve, Heiko

Tickets

* Make Breeze the default icon set on Windows
   + https://pirati.ca/display/a6551d712873888e843e54a74a8e772a61684afd
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90194
   + https://plus.google.com/107566594492891737454/posts/H6W86P19atW
     + 60% Yes after one day
   + Yes (Tomazs)
   + No, because Breeze is not enough colorful and too thin (Jay, Kendy,
Heiko)
   /keep it for now

In Win 7 tango fit's well. I don't know how it will fit in Win 10.
I can't change the breeze icon geometry, but as everything is svg,
color changing wouldn't be a problem to fit windows better.

* Installer icon
   (last week)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103677
     https://bug-attachments.documentfoundation.org/
attachment.cgi?id=128467
   + Double-check if ico contains multiple images (Jay)
   + Tango is not really up-to-date and not suitable for Windows (Jay)
   + See what other installers use (Jay)
   + Revert change like Stuart mentioned (Jay)
   + Let's check other installers and decide next week what to do (Heiko)
   (this week)
   + Andreas' solution is good (Kendy)
   + leave it as it is as the default is very close to what we have (Jay)
   / Make a test first with a nightly build that contains Andreas'
solution (Kendy)

I used tango icons for the installer, cause the installer is for windows
and tango is the default icon set, so the default design language for
windows.

I can also make a proposal for another design language (breeze, galaxy,
sifr, ...)
but I wouldn't prefer to have an installer icon that fit's any LO design
language.
So say what you want and I will have a look if I can make it happen.

cheers
Andreas K

[Heiko_Tietze]

Andreas Kainz is the maintainer of Breeze icons. He did not only
submit the LibreOffice icons in Breeze style but also most of the
icons for KDE software. Colors are reserved for the app level in
Breeze, functions are basically monochrome. I challenged him two years
ago with the idea of a colorized Breeze set- and will not stop to poke
him. The colors would need to be defined according the functional
scope, e.g. style stuff in blue, device things in green etc. Another
issue with the set reported by users is that line strokes are very
thin. And we want to have the set in different sizes with a level of
detail depending on it. Hell of work, altogether.