minutes of LibreOffice QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

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#1

Hi all,

here are the minutes of the QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

attendants: Cor, Ivan, Rainer, Markus, Michael, Korrawit, Petr, Kendy, Bjoern

  - structured manual testing:
    - getting testcases for 3.5 from Litmus to Checkbox
      - we currently have some ~50 testcases in Litmus -- it should be easy
        to just copypaste them as the time window is limited until
        Ubuntu 12.04 beta2 (Bjoern)
AA - copypaste existing manual test as a one off for 3.5/Precise (Bjoern)
AA - Check if test documents are URLs properly distributed to Checkbox (Bjoern)
    - find a good way to script sync testcases from Litmus to Checkbox and
      maybe even results back to Litmus
      TBD later: (maybe discuss when Nicholas Skaggs and Yifan Jiang are around)
  - bugwrangling
    - still too much old regressions (Rainer)
      - 60 (11 most annoying) from earlier releases
    - proposed mitgation:
      more viciously and realistically downgrade priority, we need to support
      Rainers decisions there
  - community building/communication:
AA - Find and empower new active QA contributors (Cor)
AA - Provide Cor with suitable queries (Rainer)
      - Note: We can currently only query for Reporters not commenters (Rainer)
    - Can we recognize bug triagers in the release notes along with the
      developer providing the fix for minor releases? (Bjoern)
      - Would need a up-to-date wikipage of active triagers (Petr)
AA - Update/Create active triagers wiki page (Cor/Rainer)
    - Nice stats and graphs by Rainer need more visibility
AA - Publish on blog/planets (Cor)
AA - Create some QA EasyHacks (Bjoern)
    - We could spend some TDF money on a paid QA guy (Michael)
      - for example to get something like this implemented:
        https://bugzilla.gnome.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html
AA - collect further ideas for spending such a resource (Cor/Rainer)
      - some of the QA EasyHacks might also be suitable (Bjoern)
      - perl is easy to integrate with Perl (Markus)
    - Can we learn from other opensource projects?
AA - Set Cor up with the Community/Forum maintainers at the distros
        to better propagate Hackfests, Bug Hunting Sessions etc.
        (Bjoern, Petr, Caolan, others?)
    - Can we make bibisecting easier accessible?
AA - Walkthrough setup at Hackfest to find out what need better docs
        (Bjoern/Rainer)
      - Setting up a ready-to-go VirtualBox with everything installed would be
        cool (Bjoern)
AA - unsure from my notes: maybe Korrawit is interested in doing this?
   - automated testing (Markus)
     - http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Calc_Import_Unit_Tests
AA - Really straightforward for Calc, just needs more CSV test documents (all)
     - in development for other apps

Next call will be in two weeks on:

Friday, 2012-03-23 15:00 UTC

Accompanying IRC channel for the calls is #libreoffice on freenode.

I tried my best to keep up with my notes, still all additions and corrections
are most welcome.

Best,

Bjoern

#2

Done (my part of it).

Best,

Bjoern

#3

Hi,

AA - copypaste existing manual test as a one off for 3.5/Precise (Bjoern)
AA - Check if test documents are URLs properly distributed to Checkbox (Bjoern)

Just discussed this with Nicholas Skaggs, the deadline for this is Tuesday(*),
so any help with this is welcome. Essentially all that needs to be done is
copying of the testcase with a little decoration:

http://paste.ubuntu.com/886661/

If you want to help out, Nicholas is around as balloons on IRC (freenode). I
will jump in on Monday, if needed.

Best,

Bjoern

(*) it sneaked itself there, it was originally assumed to be Friday

#4

Hi Bjoern, all,

Bjoern Michaelsen wrote (09-03-12 18:42)

here are the minutes of the QA call 2012-03-09 15:00 UTC

Thanks for organising & the minutes.

attendants: Cor, Ivan, Rainer, Markus, Michael, Korrawit, Petr, Kendy, Bjoern

   - bugwrangling
     - still too much old regressions (Rainer)
       - 60 (11 most annoying) from earlier releases

I see there has been good discussion on this on the dev list, with all people understanding both the importance of this topic and working on improvement as far as reasonable.

     - proposed mitgation:
       more viciously and realistically downgrade priority, we need to support
       Rainers decisions there

Indeed. I've never seen a wrong decision from Rainer there.
If there is any discussion/doubt in a certain case, discussing it here or on irc is always OK. (However, in case of discussion it's obviously best to let the devs take the final decision.)

   - community building/communication:
AA - Find and empower new active QA contributors (Cor)

Ah well, I will do my part of that, but it's not SMART to put just me for that AA: that will not lead to a _R_eliable solution in a reasonable _T_ime-frame.
Having that said: I mentioned the idea that it might be possible to get names from bugzilla, from people that are more active in triage, and that we can encourage to 'team up' with us.
Talking about that, we had the idea to look at the queries that are already available and may be useful for others to.

AA - Provide Cor with suitable queries (Rainer)

Rainer did send it already. Will have a look at that.

       - Note: We can currently only query for Reporters not commenters (Rainer)

For the rest the minutes mention the good ideas we have for promoting etc.
I see my name with some AA's....
I'll try to do some in the second half of this week.

Next call will be in two weeks on:

  Friday, 2012-03-23 15:00 UTC

I'll try to join.

Regards,

#5

done.
tag "TopicQA" added at:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_Bugzilla_Whiteboard_Status
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Easy_Hacks_by_Topic

also created wikipage listing the QA-related EasyHacks at:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Easy_Hacks

and linked to it from:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA

s will need vicous blogging to raise visibility. Feel free to do so, I will do
the same later.

Best,

Bjoern

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