ESC meeting minutes: 2024-06-06

vmiklos · June 6, 2024, 2:52pm

Present:
- Cloph, Hossein, Olivier, Heiko, Ilmari, Jonathan, Michael S, Michael W, Caolan, Regina, Stephan, Thorsten, Xisco, Nonso, Eike, Miklos
Completed Action Items:
- MAR update: include OS info in the user agent or file a bug to do it (Cloph)
Pending Action Items:
Release Engineering update (Cloph)
- 24.2: 24.2.4 is to be out today; 24.2.5 RC1 in 3 weeks
  - 24.2.2 MAR update was broken (Stephan)
    - taken down by now?
    - yes
    - will re-generate the update with the fix (Cloph)
- 24.8:
  - feature freeze (beta1) this week, later today or tomorrow
  - beta2 in 2 weeks, if needed
  - string / UI freeze in 3 weeks
  - late features?
    - late addition to the notes page in Impress in the works (Thorsten)
      - search not working perfectly yet (would need to find & open
        the notes pane in case a match is found - borderline bugfix perhaps)
Edge Hill University (Nonso)
- lecturer there
- Ilmari invited to this call
- planning an extension to a text editor, some sort of AI assistant
- for the scholar domain
- thought of LibreOffice, want the result to be open-source
- would be interested in having mentoring help, if his students get stuck
- didn’t know if this would be extension vs core (Ilmari)
- we have “AI assistant with ChatGPT” on the extension site
  AI assistant with ChatGPT » Extensions
- do you need any “blessing” from TDF?
  - would like a “letter of support” from devs, to clarify the dev community is OK with this
  - looking for best-effort mentoring for now.
  - the ESC is not an official body of the foundation to sign something like this, though (Ilmari)
    - if it’s to be official, that has to go to the board
- extension vs built-in? (Miklos)
  - extension (Nonso)
  - sounds similar to deepl/lightproof (Cloph)
  - grammar checking sounds similar, not thinking it would be controversial as an extension (Caolan)
  - We have a DeepL link as possible model (Olivier)
- re mentoring/support: normally on the developer mailing list / chat (Ilmari)
- will this be a project for your students? (Hossein)
  - students to work with the researcher here (Nonso)
  - will also have a developer on their side
  - looking for lightweight mentors
  - dev mailing list / IRC sounds great for this (Hossein)
  - what language model would you use?
    - intend to use Meta Llama, and add custom model(s) on top of it (Nonso)
Documentation (Olivier)
- New Help
  - CSS bug fix (buovjaga)
- Helpcontents2
  - updates and fixes (D. Maddern, ohallot, S. Horacek)
  - Note: Help page for LET function on the way (ohallot)
- Guides
  - work in progress
- Bugzilla Documentation statistics
  250(250) bugs open
- Updates:
  BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
  created 10(-7) 50(3) 113(0) 231(7)
  commented 22(2) 100(11) 264(7) 891(20)
  resolved 3(-7) 27(-3) 68(1) 133(2)
- top 10 contributors:
  Dione Maddern made 61 changes in 1 month, and 92 changes in 1 year
  Olivier Hallot made 49 changes in 1 month, and 261 changes in 1 year
  Stéphane Guillou made 22 changes in 1 month, and 252 changes in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 15 changes in 1 month, and 85 changes in 1 year
  Dieter made 13 changes in 1 month, and 18 changes in 1 year
  Ilmari Lauhakangas made 12 changes in 1 month, and 81 changes in 1 year
  Óvári made 10 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Timur made 6 changes in 1 month, and 8 changes in 1 year
  Bogdan B made 4 changes in 1 month, and 13 changes in 1 year
  Vernon, Stuart Foote made 4 changes in 1 month, and 106 changes in 1 year
UX Update (Heiko)
- Bugzilla (topicUI) statistics
  239(239) (topicUI) bugs open, 38(38) (needsUXEval) needs to be evaluated by the UXteam
- Updates:
  BZ changes 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
  added 5(-2) 11(-2) 16(-2) 24(-1)
  commented 51(-41) 210(-16) 546(-7) 1729(-28)
  removed 0(0) 0(-1) 5(0) 10(0)
  resolved 11(5) 33(6) 80(0) 288(-5)
- top 10 contributors:
  Heiko Tietze made 120 changes in 1 month, and 950 changes in 1 year
  Stéphane Guillou made 109 changes in 1 month, and 663 changes in 1 year
  Eyal Rozenberg made 57 changes in 1 month, and 170 changes in 1 year
  Vernon, Stuart Foote made 24 changes in 1 month, and 303 changes in 1 year
  Dieter made 12 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
  m.a.riosv made 12 changes in 1 month, and 49 changes in 1 year
  Henschel, Regina made 11 changes in 1 month, and 37 changes in 1 year
  Jérôme made 10 changes in 1 month, and 14 changes in 1 year
  Ilmari Lauhakangas made 8 changes in 1 month, and 129 changes in 1 year
  Ady made 7 changes in 1 month, and 117 changes in 1 year
- [Bug 161411] UI Better wording for ASCII-only characters
- [Bug 161395] “Whole numbers” is ambiguous
- [Bug 161393] Allow typing a date directly into the ad-hoc field when creating
  a custom date property
- [Bug 161373] Font-family fallback list is not respected/not working
- [Bug 161378] Improve/create visibility for font fallback lists in the UI
- [Bug 161093] Chart Properties sidebar only accommodates 4 chart type previews,
  but the Pie category now has 6
- [Bug 161364] Search in both values & formulae
Vertical tabpages state (Samuel/Thorsten)
- let’s have it in, re-evaluate it next week how it’s going (Xisco)
- 161355 – Vertical tabs: Incorrect hover feedback on non-GTK - Vertical tabs:
  Incorrect hover feedback on non-GTK
- 161351 – vertical tab dialogs--List styles examples are not readable - vertical tab dialogs–
  List styles examples are not readable
- 161026 – Vertical Tab dialogs--Mouse cursor over tab not activated until pointer touches bottom edge (Win) - Vertical Tab dialogs–
  Mouse cursor over tab not activated until pointer touches bottom edge (Win)
- Currently a mix between vertical and horizontal tabs (Heiko)
  - still have a bit of time till the UI freeze (Xisco)
  - a mix of vertical vs horizontal don’t look consistent
  - do we know how many dialogs are still to be converted?
  - probably not many with multiple tab lines
  - just looking at the bugs, looks slightly less bad to me now? (Thorsten)
  - the idea was to use those which had 2 or 3 lines only
  - are there any left?
    - e.g. character & paragraph formatting dialog in Writer is still un-converted (Heiko)
    - character is single-line (Ilmari)
    - for paragraph, there is a patch in gerrit (Xisco)
  - seeing some artifacts in generic and kf5 UI (Olivier)
    - think that’s an older problem (Ilmari)
  - really need a consistent UI here, if we change (Heiko)
    - mouse hover, over the tab, looks poor, needs fixing
  - Char format is one vs two lines depending on RTL, probably (Hossein)
  - Visually similar in some UI plugins to a single line broken into two
  - More issues when you enable RTL/CTL and CJK at the same time
  - RTL is not shown, it is in the back of CJK
  - To test, enable Asian and/or CTL in Tools > Options > Languages and Locales
  - list styles is vertical from the sidebar (Regina)
    - horizontal from the toolbar, which is inconsistent
  - suggest: re-check this next week, again (Xisco)
    - still have a few weeks to just undo this last minute if needed.
Crash Testing (Caolan)
- 22(-2) import failure, 19(-1) export failures
- 0 coverity issues
  - 2 new but fixed again
- 9 ossfuzz issues
  - 7 timeouts, 1 OOM, 1 int overflow
Crash Reporting (Xisco)
- 7.6.6.3 7480(+632)
- 7.6.7.2 1896(+779)
- 24.2.0.3 19710(+544)
- 24.2.1.2 16405(+623)
- 24.2.2.2 13833(+1041)
- 24.2.3.2 7710(+2497)
- looks normal / nothing special to report
Mentoring (Hossein)

New EasyHack
tdf#161195 - Allow Right-to-Left brochure printing in Draw / Impress
161195 – Allow Right-to-Left brochure printing in Draw / Impress
committer… 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 53(-41) 170(-13) 173(-10) 173(-10)
reviews 326(26) 1298(-12) 3312(-74) 12510(6)
merged 229(12) 1151(-94) 3176(-63) 12660(-33)
abandoned 18(11) 57(9) 157(-5) 668(9)
own commits 172(12) 830(-69) 2296(-32) 9276(8)
review commits 47(-5) 231(2) 761(-34) 3006(-2)
contributor… 1 week 1 month 3 months 12 months
open 33(-3) 98(-2) 98(-4) 98(-4)
reviews 634(-62) 2902(-208) 7360(-220) 29462(-98)
merged 14(-2) 76(-6) 332(-15) 1563(-12)
abandoned 3(-5) 23(-4) 96(-44) 712(2)
own commits 21(4) 98(-3) 379(-18) 1140(-1)
review commits 0(0) 0(0) 0(0) 0(0)
- easyHack statistics:
  needsDevEval 9(9) needsUXEval 1(1) cleanup_comments 329(329)
  total 411(411) assigned 29(29) open 349(349)
- top 10 contributors:
  Dione Maddern made 25 patches in 1 month, and 61 patches in 1 year
  Weblate made 6 patches in 1 month, and 28 patches in 1 year
  LeSasse made 4 patches in 1 month, and 23 patches in 1 year
  Hubert Figuière made 3 patches in 1 month, and 9 patches in 1 year
  Zainab Abbasi made 3 patches in 1 month, and 4 patches in 1 year
  Jakub Kościelak made 3 patches in 1 month, and 7 patches in 1 year
  Srebotnjak, Martin made 2 patches in 1 month, and 17 patches in 1 year
  Marco Pinto made 2 patches in 1 month, and 6 patches in 1 year
  Bayram Çiçek made 2 patches in 1 month, and 3 patches in 1 year
  Kurt Nordback made 2 patches in 1 month, and 25 patches in 1 year
- top 10 reviewers:
  Caolán McNamara made 154 review comments in 1 month, and 1532 in 1 year
  Ilmari Lauhakangas made 102 review comments in 1 month, and 556 in 1 year
  Thorsten Behrens made 82 review comments in 1 month, and 620 in 1 year
  Adolfo Jayme Barrientos made 74 review comments in 1 month, and 550 in 1 year
  Vajna, Miklos made 72 review comments in 1 month, and 1084 in 1 year
  Michael Stahl made 66 review comments in 1 month, and 886 in 1 year
  Grandin, Noel made 64 review comments in 1 month, and 712 in 1 year
  Christian Lohmaier made 60 review comments in 1 month, and 380 in 1 year
  Hossein made 58 review comments in 1 month, and 310 in 1 year
  Heiko Tietze made 44 review comments in 1 month, and 250 in 1 year

GSoC (Ilmari)
- Midterm evaluations deadline 12 July
Commit Access
- Bayram Çiçek
  - https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/q/owner:bayram.cicek@collabora.com
  - git shortlog --author=“Bayram Çiçek” -sn => 28
  - supporting him (Heiko)
    => go ahead (all)
    AI: Heiko to send the welcome mail /done
    AI: Cloph to enable the commit bit
LibreOffice Technology hackfest at Budapest (Miklos)
- 4th & 5th June (Tue-Wed), happened earlier this week
  - 11 attendees, went ~well
- details: LibreOffice Technology Budapest 2024 Hackfest - The Document Foundation Wiki
- on blog: Coming up: LibreOffice Technology Budapest 2024 Hackfest - The Document Foundation Blog
Developer Certification (Stephan/Miklos/László/Gabriel)
- resting since: 7 weeks (limit: 20 weeks)
Jenkins / CI update (Cloph)
gerrit_android_aarch64 jobs: 149 ok: 144 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 8)
gerrit_android_arm jobs: 149 ok: 142 ko: 4 fail ratio: 2.68% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 7)
gerrit_android_x86 jobs: 149 ok: 144 ko: 0 fail ratio: 0.00% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 7)
gerrit_android_x86_64 jobs: 149 ok: 144 ko: 1 fail ratio: 0.67% mean_ok: 9 ( 10) median_ok: 7 ( 8)
gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil jobs: 305 ok: 246 ko: 47 fail ratio: 15.41% mean_ok: 41 ( 41) median_ok: 42 ( 42)
gerrit_linux_gcc_release jobs: 356 ok: 289 ko: 48 fail ratio: 13.48% mean_ok: 16 ( 17) median_ok: 14 ( 14)
gerrit_mac jobs: 328 ok: 275 ko: 39 fail ratio: 11.89% mean_ok: 53 ( 53) median_ok: 49 ( 49)
gerrit_windows jobs: 372 ok: 230 ko: 116 fail ratio: 31.18% mean_ok: 85 (153) median_ok: 72 ( 96)
gerrit_master_ml jobs: 418 ok: 191 ko: 187 fail ratio: 44.74% mean_ok: 163 (173) median_ok: 118 (118)
gerrit_master jobs: 67 ok: 26 ko: 35 fail ratio: 52.24% mean_ok: 184 (184) median_ok: 129 (129)
gerrit_master_seq jobs: 348 ok: 166 ko: 148 fail ratio: 42.53% mean_ok: 157 (161) median_ok: 118 (118)
- tests that failed more than twice in last seven days
  3 UITest_sw_navigator gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
  8 UITest_writer_tests4 gerrit_linux_clang_dbgutil
  24 CppunitTest_sw_a11y gerrit_windows
  25 aborted by jenkins job timeout gerrit_windows
- MSVC -analyze switch disabled for CI builds (when JENKINS_HOME is set)
- build times are now way faster on Windows, due to this (Cloph)
- CppunitTest_sw_a11y was bad till Saturday, interestingly better since then
What’s cooking (Miklos)
- A11y update (Michael W)
  - improvements to Calc a11y memory usage by Patrick (tdf#158914)
  - 155447 – Add accessible object attributes to LO spellcheck dialog components for reliable identification by ATs (“Add accessible object attributes to LO spellcheck dialog components for reliable identification by ATs”)
- RTL/CTL/CJK update (Jonathan)
  - 161397 – Issues with copy & pasting Arabic/Persian text with colored characters - Incorrect RTL fallback glyphs
    - Fixed
    - in general, think that the default fonts for various languages is far from optiomal (Hossein)
    - a wiki page documenting the current state would be ideal
    - is that font fallback vs default fonts for new documents? (Cloph)
      - already have a list for the defaults, language-specific
      - at officecfg/registry/data/org/openoffice/VCL.xcu, might do what you need (Caolan)
      - Language support of LibreOffice - The Document Foundation Wiki is the previous effort.
  - 152024 – Diacritics are cut off in the last line of paragraph - Diacritics are cut off in the last line of paragraph
    - In progress
invitation list for LibOCon (Michael W)
- sent link to formal ESC members by email
- please enter your suggestions before ESC call next week
Community Townhall Meeting (Heiko)
- idea from BoD call on Monday
- a bit of an “ask me anything” style
- would be done per-project, including one for development
- any feedback, let the board know
- no objections from the ESC side (all)
- had an AMA session on reddit a few years ago, it went well (Heiko)
QA update (Xisco)
- UNCONFIRMED: 1161 (+20)
  - enhancements: 270 (-5)
  - needsUXEval: 10 (+0)
  - haveBackTrace: 10 (+0)
  - needsDevAdvice: 45 (+0)
  - documentation: 4 (+1)
  - android: 0 (+0)
  - iOS: 0 (+0)
  - Online: 9 (+0)
- Most pressing bugs:
  New:
None
- New high severity bugs of the week:
  - Hypertext, relative URL to local files does not work
    - 159768 – Hypertext, relative URL to local files does not work
    - not tagged as a regression
QA stats (Stéphane)
- Weekly Bug Summary
  +111 -6 (-93) overall)
  many thanks to the top bug squashers:
  Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 14
  QA Administrators 10
  Heiko Tietze 9
  Mike Kaganski 8
  László Németh 4
  Rafael Lima 4
  Thorsten Behrens (allotropia) 4
  Buovjaga 3
  Hossein 3
  Justin L 3
- top 10 bugs reporters:
  johnks 7
  Gabor Kelemen (allotropia) 6
  Mike Kaganski 4
  Xisco Faulí 4
  Eyal Rozenberg 3
  Olivier Hallot 3
  Stéphane Guillou (stragu) 3
  László Németh 2
  Miklos Vajna 2
  Regina Henschel 2
- top 10 bugs fixers:
  Heiko Tietze 5
  Kaganski, Mike 5
  Németh, László 4
  Thorsten Behrens (CIB) 4
  Justin Luth 3
  Samuel Mehrbrodt 3
  Balland-Poirier, Laurent 2
  Caolán McNamara 2
  Grandin, Noel 2
  Rafael Lima 2
- top 10 bugs confirmers:
  Stéphane Guillou 15
  m.a.riosv 7
  Heiko Tietze 6
  Nabet, Julien 6
  Alex Thurgood 5
  Robert Großkopf 4
  Ady 3
  Ilmari Lauhakangas 3
  Kaganski, Mike 3
  Xisco Fauli 3

Bisected bugs open: keyword ‘bisected’

more accurate - down to a single commit.
Bug List: LibreOffice Bi-bisected

done by:
   Stéphane Guillou       5
   Raal                   4
   Xisco Fauli            3
   Aron Budea             1
   Kaganski, Mike         1
   Timur                  1

Bibisected bugs open: keyword ‘bibisected’

Bug List: LibreOffice Bi-bisected

done by:
   Stéphane Guillou       6
   Raal                   4
   Xisco Fauli            4
   Aron Budea             1
   Timur                  1

all bugs tagged with ‘regression’
- 1244(-7) bugs open of 13405(+15) total 24(+1) high prio.
  
  done by:
  Stéphane Guillou 4
  Xisco Fauli 4
  Ady 1
  Eyal Rozenberg 1
  Ilmari Lauhakangas 1
  m.a.riosv 1
  Kaganski, Mike 1
  Telesto 1
  Timur 1
~Component count net * high severity regressions
- Bug List
  Writer - 14(+1)
  Calc - 3(+0)
  Impress - 2(+0)
  LibreOffice - 2(+0)
  UI - 2(+0)
by OS:
All - 17(+1)
Linux - 5(+0)
Mac OS X - 0(+0)
Windows - 2(+0)
~Component count net * all regressions
- Bug List
  Writer: other - 429(-2)
  Calc - 230(-1)
  Impress - 126(+0)
  LibreOffice - 52(-1)
  Draw - 51(-1)
  Writer: docx filter - 44(+0)
  Base - 42(+0)
  Crashes - 42(+1)
  UI - 39(-4)
  Borders - 34(-1)
  Writer: perf - 34(+0)
  Writer: other filter - 32(+1)
  Printing and PDF export - 26(+0)
  Chart - 24(+0)
  RTL - 23(+0)
  BASIC - 21(+0)
  filters and storage - 21(+0)
  Writer: doc filter - 16(+0)
  graphics stack - 13(+0)
  Formula Editor - 7(+0)
  framework - 3(+0)
  Extensions - 2(+0)
  sdk - 2(+0)
  Linguistic - 1(+0)