Budget 2025 planning

Not sure about that long list, some of these items are kind of disingenuous, e.g. “promoted collabora contributions” - those aren’t promotions of Collabora, they’re promotions of LO, and the credit is given to individuals; and when it comes to “slides at talks” - that is paid sponsorship of LibOCon, plus, we actually denied Allotropia that at the last minute last year. Of course, I don’t believe TDF should be promoting Collabora much, so I would actually be concerned if that whole list was something we really have done as in your description.

The thing is, @mikesaunders , there is no dichotomy between vigorous-promotion and punishment; nor do any of the actions you mentioned balance punitive action.

So, hiring a11y and RTL/CTL/CJK-focused developers was apparently not something “for TDF and the benefit of all users”, but hiring 4 (!) developers for web/mobile LO - is? That’s not a serious argument, just grandstanding.

And no less problematic than the choice of focus in this proposition, is the presentation of such hiring as an allocation of funds from reserves, under the title of “projects”.


It’s kind of amazing that after being annoyed and concerned with the way an “ecosystem-heavy” BoD was running things, with long arguments with Cor on our mailing list, we now find myself having to defend those people whose conduct I have found quite problematic - from often-underhanded jabs and reprisals, whether symbolic or material. Instead of trying to reduce partisanship and use the trust you had received as a BoD to create an atmosphere of trust and fairness, you’ve chosen what can be described as capricious partisanship.

Anyway, at the bottom line: I strongly oppose the conversion of most/all of the outside-contracted-work part of our budget to a developer employment budget.

Oh, and, PS - This budgetay planning should have happened in late 2024, not mid 2025. Please do the next board the courtesy of planning a budget for 2026 budget before the end of your term early next year. Of course the next BoD might want to make certain changes, but let those be over a worked-out baseline.

No, we give talks at many other events, online and in-person too – nothing to do with sponsorship. In those talks we’ve promoted the ecosystem a lot.

Hi Eyal,

I’m not sure if advocating for TDF to do direct assignment of development work to one company and its subsidiary is a good thing knowing about the current situation as well as being potentially seen by other eventual bidders as a message to stay away as anyway things have been already decided.

What you call partisanship is actually a realignment to the “independent” bit of the statutes that has been ignored for such a long time while some focused on the “meritocratic” bit to influence the governance in ways that, as we have seen, turned out not to be aligned with the laws and regulations that take priority over the statutes.

Investing in developers that will be funded not only by donations but also by applying for funding specific project through the various funding mechanisms was important years ago and it is even more important now that the pool of potential bidders for tenders is limited to one company and its subsidiary.

You might remember that in the in-house developers proposal I referenced the risks related to a reduction of contributions and contributors:

The company and its subsidiary have their own business interests to think about and they are paid by their customers to develop what their customers need leaving TDF, and potential additional commercial contributors, with plenty of work in many areas to keep all of us busy for decades to come.

So once again, you might see “capricious partisanship” while others see a plan for growth for TDF in terms of contributions and reach as well as the creation of a level playing field for all where other potential commercial contributors can develop their own business models without imposing limitations on TDF, its mission and goals.

Ciao

Paolo

so if TM = MT, what the sense of

?

to put it bluntly : a repeated tendancy to vagueness and delay.

there’s quite often another responsible, another reference, another timeline … instead of fixing immediate, obvious points.

yep. maybe.
maybe someone knowledgeable / responsible will at some point feel responsible enough to analyze and answer this person direclty.
maybe.

and what is done to improve the situation … ?

and what is done to sort out the curiosity … ?

No need to anwer here, but defintely updating the referenced redmine, bugzilla and weblate would be a minimum consideration for volunteering community members.

especially in the current context with this decision to remove a tagline … :thinking:

A translation memory is a memory of the strings we have already translated (you can see it in the wiki too) while automatic translation will translate any strings (like DeepL does). LibreTranslate would be a great help for new translators given the amount of strings the UI and help contain.

So your example was 166411 – German translation of "compound character/word" is not understandable which is Status: NEEDINFO. Who esle than the original poster will give those informations? And you pointed to the German Redmine where I don’t see the issue reported. I think only the German community who is made of volunteers as well, will be able to answer if they are aware of the issue.
We are a volunteer driven community. Not all volunteers are attracted by the same areas and they dedicate their time as they see fit.

Speaking of your example again: one person has triaged the issue (you), so somebody felt reponsible/knowledgeable. By the way, I don’t know what info you expect from the reporter.

Be patient, because as translators, we are all volunteers and deal with suggestions when we can. For example at the moment, with the preparation of 25.8, all forces are concentrated on finishing UI and help files together with a first QA session. So maybe in September, the situation will be better :slight_smile:

Find the responsible persons here FindTheExpert - The Document Foundation Wiki

You’re part of a volunteer community, yet depending also on other volunteers. Do we need more volunteers, yes, always (as in any open source project). What do we do to get more volunteers? The marketing team is working daily on the topic and several others in the team in their respective areas. Ilmari, for example, gives mentoring sessions each day, either collectively or individually.
If you have more ideas, you’re welcome to suggest them on the marketing project or I’m sure Mike will answer you if you ping him.

I don’t see what the Community tag has to do with adding automatic translations to Weblate in the budget.

someone else may.
or may not.
maybe.