Agenda for TDF board meeting on Friday, March 12th at 1300 Berlin time (UTC+1)

Board Discuss
#1

Dear community,

find below the agenda for our

-> TDF board meeting with a public part and followed by a private part -> on Friday, March 12th at 1300 Berlin time

For time zone conversion, see e.g.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20210312T13&p1=37&p2=136&p3=241&p4=589

-> at https://jitsi.documentfoundation.org/TDFBoard
We meet on Jitsi, and please, if possible use Chrome browser and do not use video and until not speaking up please mute.

-> AGENDA:

Public Part

1. Q&A: Answering Questions from the community (All, max. 10 min)
    Rationale: Provide an opportunity for the community to ask questions to the board and about TDF.

2. Discuss&Plan: Status and follow up of "next decade manifesto" writing process (Uwe (MC), Florian, all 10min)
   * Status and feedback so far, deadline for feedback
   * Short version, long version
   * further process
   Rationale: We asked the public to send proposals, so let's discuss in public first. We can move to private if needed.

3. Discuss: Business entity (Thorsten, Florian, all 10min)
   * Two existing proposals in https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/NeBWm25cd2LHyoq - Germany and Luxembourg
   * rescheduled after 4 weeks question and clarification, status of this
   * Question about ownership and mission/scope/rationale of business entity
   * Need to make some decision, one of the too proposals or can also be there's no entity in the next ~6-12 months
   * App stores: TDF's readiness wrt. tools and skills to provide, package and update app store binaries, plus documenting
   Rationale: We asked the public to send proposals, so let's discuss in public first. We can move to private if needed.

Agenda items of Private Part

4. (optional) Discuss: Business entity (Thorsten, Florian, all time incl. see above)

5. Discuss: (Status of) tender framework (Lothar, Nicolas, Florian, all 10min)
    Rational: discussing open questions about roles and process
    reason why in private: discussion about roles and process details in tenders not for public

6. Discuss&Plan: 2021 budget planning, final draft and further steps (Florian, All 15min)
    Rationale: bringing the budget to decisions and start activities
    reason why in private: confidential items (like HR), fiscal issues, timeline

#2

Hello everybody,

3. Discuss: Business entity (Thorsten, Florian, all 10min)
  * Two existing proposals in https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/NeBWm25cd2LHyoq - Germany and Luxembourg
  * rescheduled after 4 weeks question and clarification, status of this
  * Question about ownership and mission/scope/rationale of business entity
  * Need to make some decision, one of the too proposals or can also be there's no entity in the next ~6-12 months
  * App stores: TDF's readiness wrt. tools and skills to provide, package and update app store binaries, plus documenting
  Rationale: We asked the public to send proposals, so let's discuss in public first. We can move to private if needed.

I just checked the Windows store and the Apple Store for Videolan's VLC Player.

In Apple's App Store I didn't found anything.
In MS Store there it is listed with two apps:
* VLC for Windows (with remark that not all features are available)
* VLC for Windows Phone [sic]

So I'm sill undecided: on one and I do understand the need for a business entity on the other hand I do not understand the need as other non profit organizations like VLC are able to publish their apps in app stores. What is different in their organization in comparison to our organization?

Moreover: does this org then also handle the releases in Linux App Stores (flatpack, AppImage, Snap, you name it) or in MacUpdate or Chocolatey or other stores? And iff not, why? And if, what happens to the actual maintainers?

In all proposals I do not see any clear distinction: only in "App Stores". For the case that only MS and Apple (maybe Google)-owed App Stores are handled: why do not name it and why is there any distinction at all?

Best regards,

Dennis
(not GPG-signed for reasons)

#3

The difference is that VLC in Apple's, MS's and Google's stores is offered for free. In Google Play, it offers in-app purchases, which apparently means the possibility to donate. So Videolan org does not need to deal with app store revenue.

Ilmari

#4

Hi Dennis,

Hello everybody,

3. Discuss: Business entity (Thorsten, Florian, all 10min)
   * Two existing proposals in
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/NeBWm25cd2LHyoq - Germany
and Luxembourg
   * rescheduled after 4 weeks question and clarification, status of this
   * Question about ownership and mission/scope/rationale of business
entity
   * Need to make some decision, one of the too proposals or can also
be there's no entity in the next ~6-12 months
   * App stores: TDF's readiness wrt. tools and skills to provide,
package and update app store binaries, plus documenting
   Rationale: We asked the public to send proposals, so let's discuss
in public first. We can move to private if needed.

I just checked the Windows store and the Apple Store for Videolan's VLC
Player.

In Apple's App Store I didn't found anything.
In MS Store there it is listed with two apps:
* VLC for Windows (with remark that not all features are available)
* VLC for Windows Phone [sic]

So I'm sill undecided: on one and I do understand the need for a
business entity on the other hand I do not understand the need as other
non profit organizations like VLC are able to publish their apps in app
stores. What is different in their organization in comparison to our
organization?

It's Videolabs who is the editor of the apps, see:
https://www.videolan.org/videolan/partners.html
Videolabs is the company run by Jean-Baptiste to support VideoLAN
Cheers
Sophie

#5

Hi Ilmari,

The difference is that VLC in Apple's, MS's and Google's stores is offered for free. In Google Play, it offers in-app purchases, which apparently means the possibility to donate. So Videolan org does not need to deal with app store revenue.

So why? What does us hinder us to get users in the game like the big corps? why do we not use in-app purchases?

Best regards,

Dennis

#6

On 10/03/2021 17:31, sophi wrote:> It's Videolabs who is the editor of
the apps, see:> https://www.videolan.org/videolan/partners.html>
Videolabs is the company run by Jean-Baptiste to support VideoLAN
  Interesting. There are also some notable differences in the
functionality as described here:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/p/vlc/9nblggh4vvnh?rtc=1

  Regards,

    Michael.

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