WollMux adoption proposal for The Document Foundation

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#21

Hello Thorsten, hi all,

Thanks for taking care of those changes. I have a doubt that I would like to clarify before starting to have contributors pushing changes to this new place.

The WollMux repos are now under the LibreOffice GitHub organisation that, to my understanding, should be just a read only mirror from our git instance hosting the LibreOffice source code.

We also have a different organisation (https://github.com/tdf) where we moved in the past the ODFtoolkit. The same place is also hosting other tools and collateral repos like the LibreOffice metadata.
I’m wondering if the TDF organisation could be a better place for WollMux instead of the LibreOffice one.

Looking forward to hearing from you,
Marina

#22

Hi Marina, all,

marina latini wrote:

The WollMux repos are now under the LibreOffice GitHub organisation
that, to my understanding, should be just a read only mirror from
our git instance hosting the LibreOffice source code.

That place was picked on purpose, since (in contrast to e.g. the ODF
toolkit), WollMux is exclusively meant for LibreOffice. You'll also
find other repos there, with equally strong ties to the main code base
(impress_remote, loeclipse, noa-libre, the barcode extension, and the
DLP libraries).

I'm wondering if the TDF organisation could be a better place for
WollMux instead of the LibreOffice one.

It's of course not a problem to move the repos further, but - at least
to me it appears currently more consistent with the existing layout.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

#23

Hi Marina, all,

marina latini wrote:

The WollMux repos are now under the LibreOffice GitHub organisation
that, to my understanding, should be just a read only mirror from
our git instance hosting the LibreOffice source code.

That place was picked on purpose, since (in contrast to e.g. the ODF
toolkit), WollMux is exclusively meant for LibreOffice. You'll also
find other repos there, with equally strong ties to the main code base
(impress_remote, loeclipse, noa-libre, the barcode extension, and the
DLP libraries).

I'm wondering if the TDF organisation could be a better place for
WollMux instead of the LibreOffice one.

It's of course not a problem to move the repos further, but - at least
to me it appears currently more consistent with the existing layout.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

#24

Hi Marina, all,

marina latini wrote:

The WollMux repos are now under the LibreOffice GitHub organisation
that, to my understanding, should be just a read only mirror from
our git instance hosting the LibreOffice source code.

That place was picked on purpose, since (in contrast to e.g. the ODF
toolkit), WollMux is exclusively meant for LibreOffice. You'll also
find other repos there, with equally strong ties to the main code base
(impress_remote, loeclipse, noa-libre, the barcode extension, and the
DLP libraries).

...indeed, the LibreOffice organisation is a mix of read-only and push allowed repos.

I got fooled by the main description:
"Read Only Mirror fo Libreoffice-related git repos (see url for code submission)"
and I didn't noticed that only some repos are read-only.

I'm wondering if the TDF organisation could be a better place for
WollMux instead of the LibreOffice one.

It's of course not a problem to move the repos further, but - at least
to me it appears currently more consistent with the existing layout.

No no, it makes sense to keep WollMux under the LibreOffice org, I agree. If you are fine with the current status, can we start to work on WollMux?

But, apart from WollMux... I think we could take this opportunity also for a clean-up of repos in https://github.com/tdf. :wink:
You mentioned the DLP libraries, but libcmis is hosted under the TDF organisation, and, if I'm not mistaken, the libraries from the DLP aren't LibreOffice only but can be reused also elsewhere.
Under the TDF organisation there are also other repos that should probably be archived (but we are going semi off-topic now). :wink:
We could also mention that we have the other LibreOffice organisation and cross link from tdf to LibreOffice too.
But...for this clean-up, where we can continue this discussion? this list doesn't look like the right place to me. :slight_smile:

Cheers,
Marina

#25

Hi Marina, all,

Marina Latini wrote:

No no, it makes sense to keep WollMux under the LibreOffice org, I agree. If
you are fine with the current status, can we start to work on WollMux?

I'd love to! :slight_smile:

(Gabor is getting the last few handbook pages' existing German
translation put up on the wiki; and I'll see to get at least a basic
CI job setup going by early next week - but none of that should block
others from starting the work)

But, apart from WollMux... I think we could take this opportunity also for a
clean-up of repos in https://github.com/tdf. :wink:
You mentioned the DLP libraries, but libcmis is hosted under the TDF
organisation, and, if I'm not mistaken, the libraries from the DLP aren't
LibreOffice only but can be reused also elsewhere.

Yep, that's true - Calligra, Inkscape and Scribus use at least some of
them.

Under the TDF organisation there are also other repos that should probably
be archived (but we are going semi off-topic now). :wink:

Also true, e.g. when looking at website stuff. BTW, 'archiving' on
github is something conceptually very close to our atticization - we
should evaluate setting the archive flag within that framework IMO.

We could also mention that we have the other LibreOffice organisation and
cross link from tdf to LibreOffice too.

Given that the main readme was misleading you, that's certainly useful.

But...for this clean-up, where we can continue this discussion? this list
doesn't look like the right place to me. :slight_smile:

Doesn't feel terribly off-topic here (dev list would also not be a
100% on-topic match, neither website or marketing? - but for very
generic discussions, there's always the global discuss list of
course).

Something else - does anybody see the need for a dedicated wollmux
mailing list? I didn't ask for one (and actually try to avoid silo-ed
low-traffic email lists, and nudge people onto the main dev list), but
not strictly against one either. The old wollmux project had one at
joinup IIRC, but it's dormant since a long time.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

#26

Hi Marina, all,

Marina Latini wrote:

No no, it makes sense to keep WollMux under the LibreOffice org, I agree. If
you are fine with the current status, can we start to work on WollMux?

I'd love to! :slight_smile:

(Gabor is getting the last few handbook pages' existing German
translation put up on the wiki; and I'll see to get at least a basic
CI job setup going by early next week - but none of that should block
others from starting the work)

But, apart from WollMux... I think we could take this opportunity also for a
clean-up of repos in https://github.com/tdf. :wink:
You mentioned the DLP libraries, but libcmis is hosted under the TDF
organisation, and, if I'm not mistaken, the libraries from the DLP aren't
LibreOffice only but can be reused also elsewhere.

Yep, that's true - Calligra, Inkscape and Scribus use at least some of
them.

Under the TDF organisation there are also other repos that should probably
be archived (but we are going semi off-topic now). :wink:

Also true, e.g. when looking at website stuff. BTW, 'archiving' on
github is something conceptually very close to our atticization - we
should evaluate setting the archive flag within that framework IMO.

We could also mention that we have the other LibreOffice organisation and
cross link from tdf to LibreOffice too.

Given that the main readme was misleading you, that's certainly useful.

But...for this clean-up, where we can continue this discussion? this list
doesn't look like the right place to me. :slight_smile:

Doesn't feel terribly off-topic here (dev list would also not be a
100% on-topic match, neither website or marketing? - but for very
generic discussions, there's always the global discuss list of
course).

Something else - does anybody see the need for a dedicated wollmux
mailing list? I didn't ask for one (and actually try to avoid silo-ed
low-traffic email lists, and nudge people onto the main dev list), but
not strictly against one either. The old wollmux project had one at
joinup IIRC, but it's dormant since a long time.

Cheers,

-- Thorsten

#27

Hi all,
Hi Marina,

I have wollmux installed
With the latest released version from last year from December 30 2022, you
need JRE 11.

I'm using Windows 11, the wollmux.conf must look like this
DEFAULT_CONTEXT "./config/"
%include "./config/conf/main.conf"
%include "./config/conf/wollmuxbar_standard.conf"

Unfortunately, not all templates are found yet, even though they are in the
correct folder.

I don't think an extra WollMux mailing list makes not sense. This does not
promote the awareness of wollmux.
Possibly. Perhaps mark the subject with [WollMux]?

Greetings
Susanne

#28

Hi Thorsten, Marina, all,

Hi Marina, all,

[...]

Doesn't feel terribly off-topic here (dev list would also not be a
100% on-topic match, neither website or marketing? - but for very
generic discussions, there's always the global discuss list of
course).

The global discuss list has many more subscribers (more than the double) than this list, so I think you are right that it would be more suitable for this discussion.

Something else - does anybody see the need for a dedicated wollmux
mailing list? I didn't ask for one (and actually try to avoid silo-ed
low-traffic email lists, and nudge people onto the main dev list), but
not strictly against one either. The old wollmux project had one at
joinup IIRC, but it's dormant since a long time.

As we are pushing for Community forum, maybe this is a good candidate for a category here (if it is seen as needed of course)?
Cheers
Sophie

#29

Hi

Doesn't feel terribly off-topic here (dev list would also not be a
100% on-topic match, neither website or marketing? - but for very
generic discussions, there's always the global discuss list of
course).

You could open a topic at https://community.documentfoundation.org :slight_smile:

#30

Hi,

Am 02.01.23 um 10:37 schrieb Thorsten Behrens:

- wollmux-config-service (not used in WollMux yet, might be
  effectively abandoned - Björn, what do you think?)

The local wollmux config must have a URL pointing to the config server and then WollMux will query the given URL to retrieve the config for the current user.

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#31

Hi Samuel, Hi All,

sry for my late reply, I was on the rest on my vacation.

wollmux-conf-service ist currently not used @LHM but has been prepared to reduce dependencies, the process is:

  1. Linux/Windows - Script which reads the logged in user name

  2. query username to GOsa (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/GOsa), read WollMux-Parameters from GOsa depending on the group assignment of the user. For a group, below wollmux parameters can be set.

  3. response parameters are like:

DEFAULT_CONTEXT “http://department.wollmux.de/”
%include “http://department.wollmux.de/conf/main.conf”
%include “http://department.wollmux.de/conf/wollmuxbar_standard.conf”

  1. Script (1) writes parameters in “wollmux.conf” in the user dir or further locations (hard coded in wollmux)
  2. When WollMux starts, it reads wollmux.conf and receives the whole configuration for the user (group) as described by Samuel.

wollmux-conf-service would get rid of the script (read logged in username by Java in WollMux itself, create request to conf-service). conf-service can (should?) be expanded to use the assignments in i.e. ActiveDirectory.

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