I support the adoption of Code of Ethics and Fiduciary Duties
–Osvaldo
I support the adoption of Code of Ethics and Fiduciary Duties
–Osvaldo
Sounds like a very selective support for LibreOffice.
So you’d be against any other version of LibreOffice that TDF, with the support of of the community, could develop in future?
There is no “but”, if you start trying to put limitation then what you produce is not Free Software anymore.
That’s the vision written in the Next Decade Manifesto, which I thought you read before becoming a member, so it’s only natural to have it confirmed in the preamble.
Hi @sophi ,
A strange accusation indeed. Could you expand please, where I’m asking for the bylaws to violate the statutes?
I don’t think it is appropriate to put words into my mouth here. All I said, is that the statutes (as the sole constitution of the foundation) do not require gratis downloads for all of TDF’s software, as @floeff seems to claim.
So if you want to argue in favour of gratis, please do that without pointing to the statutes. And as others have already mentioned, even the (carefully weighted) wording in the New Manifesto, that John was authoring, is quite different from the blunt absolutism we now find in the Code of Ethics.
Indeed I have read the New Manifesto, and I have read, reviewed & edited (parts of) the statutes. And I certainly object against turning TDF into a Freeware Foundation, by sneaking this wording into a Code of Ethics and making it an article of faith for all members. It will undo decades of work by others, and not a single FLOSS license requires it.
Finally, and to make it clear: I’m not against free binary downloads per se. I’m against requiring them, everywhere, for everything TDF does.
Best, Thorsten
We seem to run in circles here.
I’ll not continue the discussion what people think I might have written in the statutes, because my memory serves me quite well.
As such, I do remember we agreed on a Next Decade Manifesto before setting up TDF, and subsequently turned those ideas into what is now The Document Foundation. Even several years later, that manifesto was referred to as “the vision behind all our work”. In another press article, it was refered to as (DeepL) “alluding to the second decade of the project, the founders have set out their plans and ideas for the future”. In our very incorporation blogpost, we state that the statutes “ensure the promises that TDF has made in its manifesto”. During the incorporation phase of TDF, we also communicated that “our ideas and visions have made their way into our Next Decade Manifesto”.
And this Next Decade Manifesto clearly spells out “free of charge”. That is part of the aforementioned vision behind all our work, that is part of the plans ideas for the future, that is part of the promises we made, and that is part of the ideas and visions.
Making LibreOffice available not free of charge, or only in source code form, is the same if our volunteer translators ask for money, or hand us over a dictionary instead of a translation.
We are working here to do something for the common good, to give people access to good software. We need the freedoms for our mission, but we also need free of charge. TDF is in the privileged situation that the good we do for society doesn’t exhaust itself, that it can be reproduced and shared. And I would like to stick with the promise we made.
Many of us bring in their skills, talent, time, passion and love into this project. Many of us do so with the Next Decade Manifesto in mind, that amongst other things states the idea that this common work, this joint effort, is made available to anyone. Also our donors donate to us because they are happy for a software anyone can easily access and use.
Keeping the option to ask for money at some point in time makes it a fundamentally different TDF than the one many of us contribute to.
When setting up TDF, we gave a promise, and I am happy to repeat that promise, and I am glad that others do the same.
We don’t need to discuss about statutes, anyone can make a simple and easy commitment like this.
The fact that this doesn’t happen, worries me quite a lot.
Thanks to Michael and Thorsten for their input. With this, we know what they think TDF should do and what it should be.
We (TDF) have spent years promoting companies, pushing people towards their products and being very careful not to tread on their toes.
But with the situation TDF is is now, we need to focus on it being an independent, non-profit organisation that gives its contributors (beyond code, as vital as that is) something they can directly use, share and recommend to people. That means, if we all work on something together, make it available in a form that everyone can use.
That doesn’t mean that TDF becomes a hosting provider, or provides LTS versions, or things like that – clearly the ecosystem is better for such things, and we should continue to recommend them in such cases. But I think it’s vital that TDF offers end-user-accessible versions of technology that all the contributors in the LibreOffice project work on together.
Paolo,
Allow me to make a small correction. The documents were already shared with the entire community in the invitation to the Board meeting scheduled for November 17, 2025, sent on November 12, 2025. Therefore, the presentation did not take place only on the day of the meeting: the materials were made available in advance for reading and comments.
During the November 17, 2025, meeting, there was again an opportunity for comments, and after the meeting—that is, during the following seven days—no member submitted any feedback.
I also register that this Board has been implementing important governance instruments necessary to strengthen transparency, accountability, and institutional alignment within the Foundation. The Code of Ethics and Fiduciary Duties fills a real gap and contributes to more clarity, security, and organizational maturity. Such governance tools are common practice in foundations similar to TDF.
Therefore, I vote in favor of adopting the proposed Code of Ethics and Fiduciary Duties.
Best,
Eliane Domingos
Hi all,
-1
And my dissenting opinion:
– Sharing Simon’s opinion, the policy has not had adequate review by our trustees.
– During the vote period, a serious issue detected by our trustees:
changing our statutes silently. The consequences of which are unforeseeable
without legal examination of the issue, but I am convinced that it could
result in the foundation and LibreOffice losing their FLOSS status.
The Board of Directors at the time of voting consists of 7 seat holders (not including deputies). In order to be quorate, the vote needs to have 1/2 or more of the Board of Directors members, which gives 4.
A total of 7 Board of Directors members have participated in the vote.
The vote is quorate.
A quorum could be reached with a simple majority of 4 votes.
Result of vote:
5 approvals: Paolo, Mike, Sophie, Osvaldo, Eliane
0 abstain
2 disapprovals: Simon, Laszlo
Decision: The proposal has been accepted.
Dissenting opinion from Laszlo Nemeth:
– Sharing Simon’s opinion, the policy has not had adequate review by our trustees.
– During the vote period, a serious issue detected by our trustees:
changing our statutes silently. The consequences of which are unforeseeable
without legal examination of the issue, but I am convinced that it could
result in the foundation and LibreOffice losing their FLOSS status.
Update 2025-12-01, 13:29 CET (UTC+1): Added Laszlo Nemeth’s dissenting opinion as per request
Attached is an informal, German translation of the document.
BoD-CodeofEthicsFiduciaryDuties-v1-2-DE.pdf (87,5 KB)
Hi @nemeth,
thanks for voting!
If I’m not mistaken this is your 4th vote during this term, you could have done better but I guess it’s a start.
Not only the trustees but also the Advisory Board actually proposed changes that, when aligned with Statutes, Next Decade Manifesto, laws and regulations, have been implemented in the document.
So one might think that you are sharing an incorrect opinion.
Really? A trustee detected that but the rest of the board isn’t aware of it?
Why did that trustee tell only you about that and not the board?
Does he/she/them know who is silently changing the statutes?
If it could cause “the foundation and LibreOffice losing their FLOSS status” then it must be something really terrible.
As you read those changed statutes why didn’t you share them with the board?
Anyway anyone could write whatever they want but it would take at least trustees, board, legal counsel and supervisory authority approval before new silently changed statutes are adopted so I guess we are not in imminent danger.
The trustees did not receive a draft of such a document for consideration before a board decision.
Regardless of that point - the BoD cannot impose codes of conduct, or ethics, or other such rules, on the trustees. Binding rules can be instituted using the “community bylaws” mechanism described (albeit in sketch) in our statutes. And to introduce a community bylaw, BoT ratification is necessary. The situation for the MC should be even stricter:The BoD, being the party subject to comptrol/oversight, cannot presume to decide on how the MC, the body of oversight, is to conduct itself.
In other words - while the BoD can adopt such a document for itself, it can’t do so for the MC and BoT. For us - these are recommendations, not binding rules.
This vote cannot change our statutes. Can you elaborate on what you meant here? Same for the unforseeable consequences etc.; why do you believe these rules would result in LO not being FLOSS? (And - the TDF is not FLOSS, it’s an organization which governs a FLOSS project, so not sure what you meant there.)
So the folder that has been shared and linked to, here in board discuss and in tdf-internal, since 2023 does not count as sharing a draft?
Not even sharing it in this vote counts?
Or in the agenda of the last meeting?
Dear community,
With the vote on the “Code of Ethics and Fiduciary Duties” now approved, I have proceeded to sign my document as required.
Sharing below the confirmation.
This is an important milestone for improving TDF’s governance.
Querida comunidade,
Com a aprovação da votação sobre o “Código de Ética e Deveres Fiduciários”, procedi à assinatura do meu documento, conforme exigido.
Compartilho abaixo a confirmação.
Este é um marco importante para melhorar a governança da TDF.
Best,
Eliane
Hi @floeff , all,
I believe it remains quite relevant, what is written in the statutes - and fortunately, we do not need to rely on your memory for that. It is clearly there, in front of us, including the statement that only the German version is authoritative.
So let me expand on this, since it seems people are still getting quite confused about it:
Now, if you @floeff continue to try and gaslight us, by claiming the statutes say something else, or mean something else, than what is literally in the text - or that you meant something else in 2011/2012 when drafting it - I honestly wonder, what are your motives? Since clearly, as a law student at the time, and collaborating with Mike (a lawyer and long-term member of the FSFE legal taskforce) on this, you both knew the precise meaning of the phrase “zur freien Nutzung durch jedermann”. With your legal training, you also knew how much it matters, what is written in the statutes, that they need to be unambiguous, and that only the statutes (not some manifestos or personal opinions) will form the basis and the constitution for the foundation. So what are you trying to do here?
Ultimately, it is my view that if the board wants to change the meaning of what is written in the statutes, it must go through the process of actually changing the statutes.
Best, Thorsten
Hi @mikesaunders ,
thanks for your otherwise thoughtful post - but one remark on the leading statement:
I don’t think we fundamentally disagree on what TDF should be (perhaps a bit more so on what TDF should do). But since this was mostly about the gratis downloads, I said this before:
Or phrased differently: it really makes a lot of sense, in a lot of places, to have readily-available gratis downloads. But Free Software is much more than gratis binaries, and sometimes (e.g. for enterprise use), it serves the larger goals better to not have them. Binding TDF’s (and the community’s) hand here as suggested, is unwise.
Best, Thorsten
Hi Florian,
Can you update the decision with my dissenting opinion as it was intended, please? (After that, I will remove this comment.)
Thanks,
László
– Sharing Simon’s opinion, the policy has not had adequate review by our trustees.
– During the vote period, a serious issue detected by our trustees:
changing our statutes silently. The consequences of which are unforeseeable
without legal examination of the issue, but I am convinced that it could
result in the foundation and LibreOffice losing their FLOSS status.
Hi Eyal, hi all,
I have very good reason to believe that this document was prepared with the intention of changing our statutes, purely on the basis of creating as strong a legal precedent as possible for a different legal interpretation. This new legal interpretation would be fundamentally contrary to the founders’ intentions as set out in the statutes, i.e. the objectives of the foundation. In my strong opinion, based on facts, this vote, which creates a legal precedent, confirmed by uninformed trustees, board and MC members, is a huge step in this very bad direction.
Without legal examination, but based on facts, I am convinced that removing FLOSS from our statutes, as very possibly covered by the this vote, has a deterrent effect, as it clearly appears to have real legal consequences, which are serious negative consequences for the sustainability of LibreOffice development, for our community, for TDF and for the whole FLOSS society. A local government, a charity, enterprises, including FLOSS-committed development companies or a committed free software activist, moreover, none of our trustees would no longer be safe if they wanted to use LibreOffice in accordance with FLOSS principles, because they would face a real (and unfortunately now real) legal threat from the foundation, from supervisory authorities, the German government, or even a well-intentioned or malicious actor. The possible legal situation and its deterrent effect precludes LibreOffice from becoming successful, competitive FLOSS software and likely also from being considered free software at all.
TDF is a respected member of the free software community. As soon as it abandons the FLOSS principles and uses or allows to use its new principles against the FLOSS community (for which the new legal documents would provide all the tools likely), it will become a pariah. That’s what I meant when I wrote that the foundation would lose its FLOSS status.
Best regards,
László